|
|
Post by Thomas From Denmark Loves Sly. on Feb 17, 2008 17:13:39 GMT -5
It seems to me that Rambo never really was interested in girls.
I mean, in First Blood and Rambo 3, i can't recall seing any women at all!
In First Blood: Part 2, Co Bao is killed off, before she gets to ride the stallion.
(Sorry for the sexual reference, but we live in a sexual world).
I would hardly call Rambo and Sarah's conversations in the new movie, loving.
This is possibly the only movies without a cliché lovestory in it?
(The fact that i, personally, am gay, has nothing to do with my love for these womenless action movies.)
|
|
|
|
Post by Soquili on Feb 17, 2008 17:40:36 GMT -5
Interesting thread, Thomas, because I am exploring that in my 'novel.' It strikes me that this action hero is indeed devoid of female companionship. Part of it is, of course, the solitary nature of a man driven - or perhaps running away from himself. But he's hetero from the word go, I'm sure, it's just that circumstances have prevented him attaching himself to anyone - probably for fear he will lose her. He can't afford to get hurt in this particular arena. He's suffered too many hurts as it is.
I get the impression that he might have sought out female companionship wherever he may have found it in Thailand. However, it was the bought and paid for type, don't you think?
Co represented what might have been in a relationship and she got butchered. He was devastated when she died.
Sarah - I got the feeling he was rather wistful about her, but of course she belonged to the character Michael - and even if the religious ones learned a thing or two, she still would never have dumped Michael for Rambo. Rambo isn't the 'Soldiers for Jesus' type. In fact, he thinks God has turned his back on him.
After careful thought, and without giving away the ending, I can see Rambo at the end of R-IV ready for a relationship, even if he is about 60 years old. I think he is overdue. I think he deserves some joy out of life. I hope he finds it.
|
|
|
|
Post by Jay Rambo on Feb 17, 2008 17:40:41 GMT -5
Thomas,
Here in Italy, on the magazine 'OGGI', Sly declared: "Rambo is like Cyrano de Bergerac, he loves from the far side, aspiring at defeat, at the missed exposure of the feeling that could open his soul to light, after so much wandering in the dark."
I think it's the greatest thing anyone could ever say on John... and it's not from "anyone", but from SLY HIMSELF.
Few time ago, he joked: "Rambo doesn't make sex because in war he had an accident and something blew up, anyway he gets a very big knife."
|
|
|
|
Post by Thomas From Denmark Loves Sly. on Feb 18, 2008 3:13:02 GMT -5
Very good replys, thank you Soquili and Jay.
Loved the joke about "something blew up".
|
|
slymick7
Baker Team 
It's a Long Road.
Posts: 71
|
Post by slymick7 on Feb 19, 2008 1:32:11 GMT -5
Rambo is every guy,
that was a shoulder for a girl to cry on about her jerk boyfriend,
that was told "let's just be friends"
that was told "I'm sure you'll find the right girl.." by the same girl they liked.
Rambo is that un-used potential in every man,
that continue to keep their hopes up, but continuously get their hearts trampled.
|
|
|
|
Post by crowmagnumman on Feb 21, 2008 16:10:34 GMT -5
Rambo is a stoic breed. Women make you weak. I always identified with Rambo in his attitude towards women. He's definitely a hetero man, he just doesn't bother with them. They're kind of a waste of time. Plus women can seldom walk in his world.
|
|
|
|
Post by Jay Rambo on Feb 21, 2008 18:57:59 GMT -5
Rambo is a stoic breed. Women make you weak. I always identified with Rambo in his attitude towards women. He's definitely a hetero man, he just doesn't bother with them. They're kind of a waste of time. Plus women can seldom walk in his world. Well, okay. I'm SURE John had some "romantic involvement" in 1986-2007. No, "romantic", not at all, but sex... surely. |
|
|
|
Post by crowmagnumman on Feb 21, 2008 20:58:54 GMT -5
Rambo is a stoic breed. Women make you weak. I always identified with Rambo in his attitude towards women. He's definitely a hetero man, he just doesn't bother with them. They're kind of a waste of time. Plus women can seldom walk in his world. Well, okay. I'm SURE John had some "romantic involvement" in 1986-2007. No, "romantic", not at all, but sex... surely. That could be. I mean he's probably start destroying random villages if he didn't get some. I mean the sexual frustration would drive him crazy. I'm sure he did something as all men would. |
|
|
|
Post by evilbichon on Feb 22, 2008 12:23:17 GMT -5
Well, okay. I'm SURE John had some "romantic involvement" in 1986-2007. No, "romantic", not at all, but sex... surely. That could be. I mean he's probably start destroying random villages if he didn't get some. I mean the sexual frustration would drive him crazy. I'm sure he did something as all men would. Have you ever heard the phrase 'jerking off'? Yeah.  |
|
|
|
Post by crowmagnumman on Feb 22, 2008 16:05:59 GMT -5
That could be. I mean he's probably start destroying random villages if he didn't get some. I mean the sexual frustration would drive him crazy. I'm sure he did something as all men would. Have you ever heard the phrase 'jerking off'? Yeah. Haha. Indeed I have. |
|
|
|
Post by Jay Rambo on Feb 23, 2008 5:49:23 GMT -5
Now that I've seen 'RAMBO':
There is NO evidence that Sarah wasn't "romantically interested" in John. There is NO evidence that Sarah and Michael WERE/ARE romantically involved.
In the end, she was searching for Michael because he was her best friend and they experienced hell together... she was still traumatized, and Micheal was her "link" with a more civilized reality. BUT in the very end, she looks at John and cries.
I think she loves him, somehow.
|
|
|
|
Post by evilbichon on Feb 23, 2008 10:48:17 GMT -5
Now that I've seen 'RAMBO': There is NO evidence that Sarah wasn't "romantically interested" in John. There is NO evidence that Sarah and Michael WERE/ARE romantically involved. In the end, she was searching for Michael because he was her best friend and they experienced hell together... she was still traumatized, and Micheal was her "link" with a more civilized reality. BUT in the very end, she looks at John and cries. I think she loves him, somehow. I never saw Michael and Sarah as being romantically involved either. The second time I saw the movie I definitely saw more of a connection between them, but I still do not think they were romantic partners, just close friends and fellow members of a church who have been through a lot together (in short, I agree). I wouldn't say Sarah loved Rambo, she didn't know him well enough for that, but I think her heart definitely went out to him. In spite of her values and everything she believed in, she didn't judge him like Michael did. She saw him as a victim of circumstance and knew he did what he had to do. I think Sarah and Rambo could have become close if they had the time and the right setting. Even though Rambo is this really bada*s, tough guy who seems to be a perpetual loner, I think he really craves love and human contact with people who understand him. Look at how he sought out Delmore at the very beginning of First Blood or his relationship with Co or how he seeks his dad out at the end of the last film. He wants to be around people, it's just that after everything he's been through, it's hard to because very few people understand him. |
|
|
|
Post by Jay Rambo on Feb 23, 2008 10:54:53 GMT -5
Evilbichon, Excellent!  I think Rambo just felt "connected" to Sarah in some (mysterious) ways, and vice versa. It was an empathic connection ---> and far beyond that, a beautiful feeling rising in their souls. It's just that they hadn't enough time to develop it, you're right. But Rambo came back to America and... guess what, Sarah came back to America. So will something good happen between the two? Yes. Has someone noticed if Rambo has still the cross around his wrist in the very end? |
|
|
|
Post by evilbichon on Feb 23, 2008 11:59:20 GMT -5
You said it right, Jay. On a related note, I think Rambo and Sarah are very alike in some ways (which is a big part of the connection they have) even though they seem so different. One thing that stands out about them is that they both really care deeply for people and believe in doing what's right. Sarah was willing to put her life on the line to venture into Burma and help people because she believed in it, even after her party was attacked by pirates (there's a lot of bravery there). She could have stayed at home under the safety of the U.S. and donated money to a relief group, but she chose to go into a war zone for people on the other side of the world whom she didn't even know because she was so touched by their pain.
Rambo, despite how many people he kills, clearly does value human life very much. In First Blood he avoided hurting anyone as much as he could. He just wanted to be left at peace. In Rambo, he put his own life on the line to save the missionaries. A great example of this is actually before the huge battle in the film...Look at the altercation with the Burmese pirates. Rambo could have easily given Sarah to the pirates to save his own neck, but he took a chance because he really does deplore the suffering of innocent people.
...Yeah, I think it's obvious I like to hear my own words a little too much. At any rate, I agree with you.
I did not notice that about the cross, that's so awesome. When the DVD comes out I'm definitely going to keep an eye out for that.
|
|
|
|
Post by Soquili on Feb 23, 2008 12:30:14 GMT -5
:SPOILER INFORMATION WITHIN:
I think Rambo would have given the cross back to Sarah, as he gave Co's Buddha to the Afghan boy. Even if he had it on at the end of the film, he wouldn't want any reminders of conflict. He's trying to get AWAY from it. Sarah was crying at the end because she realized exactly what a 'war zone' is - I think she was a little naive on that score - they all were. 'Here, let's go help these people and nothing will happen to us because Jesus is on our side.' APOLOGIES TO YOU WHO ARE RELIGIOUS!! But this is the world. This is the way of the world. John knew, and John was staring at her as if to say 'Do you see now? Do you see what I was trying to tell you?' I did not see any exchange of any sort of 'love' in that scene. Sarah was crying because she at last realized what he had been trying to tell her.
Just MHO.
|
|
