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Post by JudgeRico on Jul 15, 2024 22:45:55 GMT -5
Hello Rico! During the events of FIRST BLOOD, it's Christmas time. I cannot believe that John spent 10 years wandering as a vagabond across America. That goes way too far for me and doesn't sit very well. That's why I elaborated the 1974-1980 timespan concept. Frankly, I wasn't thinking about Trautman's quote in such a literal way, but now that you're mentioning it, it makes sense. Maybe Rambo was sentenced to spend 9/10 years in prison. Technically speaking, he was arrested in December 1980, not 1981. Me neither. He talked about not even being able to hold down a job "parking cars". My interpretation of that is, he tried his best to lead a normal life, pretty much like Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver. He tried different jobs, but could not hold any of them. But he could not find his way back to a normal life, although he tried, for many years. So at some point he just packed his bags and started wandering. Leaving the "normal" life behind. Perhaps it wasn't even for too long, as he might have gone on his trip with the direct intention to visit Delmore Barry. I'm not fully conviced about 1980. Might have a look at the 4K disc of FB again, to see if there is a calendar hanging on the wall somewhere in the Sheriff's office. |
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Post by JudgeRico on Jul 15, 2024 22:52:25 GMT -5
How did you come to the conclusion, that in Rambo's universe there was no 9/11? Well, it was an act of vanity. I wanted Rambo's effort in P3 be validated by a long-term result. It sure was validated, as from what I gathered the 9/11 terrorists and Al Quaeda are a totally different crew from the Mujaheddin shown in RAMBO III. Then again, when we regard RIII as canon, there has to be a reason for Rambo to get so "grumpy" after the happenings in III, where he was shown as being rather lighthearted now and then. Perhaps the turn on the world as such, including everything that happened in the wake of 9/11 made him completely lose faith in humanity. |
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Post by JudgeRico on Jul 15, 2024 22:58:52 GMT -5
Just thinking, perhaps Raven could share some of his insights here. As he is the certified expert on everything RAMBO.
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Post by Jay Rambo on Jul 16, 2024 14:44:43 GMT -5
Me neither. He talked about not even being able to hold down a job "parking cars". My interpretation of that is, he tried his best to lead a normal life, pretty much like Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver. He tried different jobs, but could not hold any of them. But he could not find his way back to a normal life, although he tried, for many years. So at some point he just packed his bags and started wandering. Leaving the "normal" life behind. Perhaps it wasn't even for too long, as he might have gone on his trip with the direct intention to visit Delmore Barry. I'm not fully conviced about 1980. Might have a look at the 4K disc of FB again, to see if there is a calendar hanging on the wall somewhere in the Sheriff's office. Great theory, not bad at all. Why not returning to the Rambo Ranch once and for all, then? There's a whole story to tell about it, I guess. That said, you got a wonderful idea. Look for a calendar. The movie was filmed in late 1981. |
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Post by Jay Rambo on Jul 16, 2024 14:46:02 GMT -5
Well, it was an act of vanity. I wanted Rambo's effort in P3 be validated by a long-term result. It sure was validated, as from what I gathered the 9/11 terrorists and Al Quaeda are a totally different crew from the Mujaheddin shown in RAMBO III. Then again, when we regard RIII as canon, there has to be a reason for Rambo to get so "grumpy" after the happenings in III, where he was shown as being rather lighthearted now and then. Perhaps the turn on the world as such, including everything that happened in the wake of 9/11 made him completely lose faith in humanity. Another great theory. That could be the deep reason behind Rambo being disillusioned again. Wondering when he moved to Burma, even. Maybe in the late Nineties? It looks like he lived on there for decades, and not just few years, quite frankly. |
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Post by JudgeRico on Jul 17, 2024 2:23:38 GMT -5
Me neither. He talked about not even being able to hold down a job "parking cars". My interpretation of that is, he tried his best to lead a normal life, pretty much like Travis Bickle in Taxi Driver. He tried different jobs, but could not hold any of them. But he could not find his way back to a normal life, although he tried, for many years. So at some point he just packed his bags and started wandering. Leaving the "normal" life behind. Perhaps it wasn't even for too long, as he might have gone on his trip with the direct intention to visit Delmore Barry. I'm not fully conviced about 1980. Might have a look at the 4K disc of FB again, to see if there is a calendar hanging on the wall somewhere in the Sheriff's office. Great theory, not bad at all. Why not returning to the Rambo Ranch once and for all, then? There's a whole story to tell about it, I guess. That said, you got a wonderful idea. Look for a calendar. The movie was filmed in late 1981. There is really another story to tell about that I think. A clue might be, what he said to Sarah in IV, implying a "complicated" relationship with his father. To me this sounds like he didn't leave on the best of terms. The gravestone in V revealed, that his mother Helga had passed long before, so it was just his father. Which I can personally totally relate to, not wanting to return to him on the ranch. |
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Post by JudgeRico on Jul 17, 2024 2:29:08 GMT -5
It sure was validated, as from what I gathered the 9/11 terrorists and Al Quaeda are a totally different crew from the Mujaheddin shown in RAMBO III. Then again, when we regard RIII as canon, there has to be a reason for Rambo to get so "grumpy" after the happenings in III, where he was shown as being rather lighthearted now and then. Perhaps the turn on the world as such, including everything that happened in the wake of 9/11 made him completely lose faith in humanity. Another great theory. That could be the deep reason behind Rambo being disillusioned again. Wondering when he moved to Burma, even. Maybe in the late Nineties? It looks like he lived on there for decades, and not just few years, quite frankly. The passing of Trautman might have had something to do with that as well. In that regard, leaving out part III would make more sense, as where he lived in Thailand near Burma isn't that far of a stretch from where he was towards the end of II. How he moved from Afghanistan back to Thailand near Burma is somewhat harder to explain. I don't really have a theory for that. An interesting question would be, how and when Rambo and Trautman parted ways after III, as it was kind of suggested, that they both would return to America together. Which apparently didn't happen that way. |
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Post by Jay Rambo on Jul 17, 2024 6:38:14 GMT -5
How he moved from Afghanistan back to Thailand near Burma is somewhat harder to explain. I don't really have a theory for that. An interesting question would be, how and when Rambo and Trautman parted ways after III, as it was kind of suggested, that they both would return to America together. Which apparently didn't happen that way. No problems. I think that they parted ways after few days: Trautman returned to America, John returned to Thailand. Right after the events of RAMBO III. I guess that John moved to Burma in the late Nineties. |
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Post by JudgeRico on Jul 17, 2024 8:59:34 GMT -5
How he moved from Afghanistan back to Thailand near Burma is somewhat harder to explain. I don't really have a theory for that. An interesting question would be, how and when Rambo and Trautman parted ways after III, as it was kind of suggested, that they both would return to America together. Which apparently didn't happen that way. No problems. I think that they parted ways after few days: Trautman returned to America, John returned to Thailand. Right after the events of RAMBO III. I guess that John moved to Burma in the late Nineties. Makes sense. He might have spent some more time in the monastery, before eventually moving on for some reason, perhaps upon learning from Trautman's passing. While he technically didn't move to Burma directly, but remained in Thailand. Only living near the border. I guess it would have been in the very southern regions of Thailand, as they were talking about "traveling up to Burma":  |
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Post by Jay Rambo on Jul 19, 2024 16:13:23 GMT -5
While he technically didn't move to Burma directly, but remained in Thailand. Only living near the border. I guess it would have been in the very southern regions of Thailand, as they were talking about "traveling up to Burma": Wow, you're spot-on. Bullet-proof continuity, indeed. So John worked as a boatman in Thailand, right? |
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Post by Jay Rambo on Jul 19, 2024 16:30:58 GMT -5
I don't know how the WIKI article can ever claim that Rambo was born in 1944. No way.
The tombstones of his parents are canon. You can see the names and the dates on-screen.
However, Rambo is born in 1947.
So his ages throughout the saga are:
First Blood: 33 years in late 1980.
Rambo FBP2: 37/38 years in early 1985.
Rambo III: 41/42 years old in early 1988.
John Rambo: 60 years old.
Last Blood: 71/72 years old.
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Post by JudgeRico on Jul 20, 2024 7:00:57 GMT -5
I don't know how the WIKI article can ever claim that Rambo was born in 1944. No way. The tombstones of his parents are canon. You can see the names and the dates on-screen. However, Rambo is born in 1947. So his ages throughout the saga are: First Blood: 33 years in late 1980. Rambo FBP2: 37/38 years in early 1985. Rambo III: 41/42 years old in early 1988. John Rambo: 60 years old. Last Blood: 71/72 years old. 7-6-47, as Murdock stated in FBII. This should be ironclad canon. What baffled me much more was the apparent lapse in the props department for LAST BLOOD, as his driver's licence suddenly gave his birthyear as 1950, which is wrong on all accounts. I asked Sly directly about that, when he was still visiting the SZ board, his brief answer was "Forged".  |
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Post by JudgeRico on Jul 20, 2024 7:08:03 GMT -5
Wow, you're spot-on. Bullet-proof continuity, indeed. So John worked as a boatman in Thailand, right? Yeah, the movie strongly suggests that, I think. He was reluctant to go into Burma at first, stating "Burma is a war zone!" So it had to be Thailand. |
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Post by Jay Rambo on Jul 20, 2024 14:09:16 GMT -5
I don't know how the WIKI article can ever claim that Rambo was born in 1944. No way. The tombstones of his parents are canon. You can see the names and the dates on-screen. However, Rambo is born in 1947. So his ages throughout the saga are: First Blood: 33 years in late 1980. Rambo FBP2: 37/38 years in early 1985. Rambo III: 41/42 years old in early 1988. John Rambo: 60 years old. Last Blood: 71/72 years old. 7-6-47, as Murdock stated in FBII. This should be ironclad canon. What baffled me much more was the apparent lapse in the props department for LAST BLOOD, as his driver's licence suddenly gave his birthyear as 1950, which is wrong on all accounts. I asked Sly directly about that, when he was still visiting the SZ board, his brief answer was "Forged". Since Murdock's file is super-canon, that's okay to me, the driver's license was wrong/forged. Is the driver's license VISIBLE on-screen, even? Or did you see the prop on E-Bay, and you can barely notice it in the movie? |
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Post by Jay Rambo on Jul 20, 2024 14:20:45 GMT -5
About LAST BLOOD:
Did Rambo mention that 10 years have passed by since his return to the ranch? Especially to Gabriela? If that would be the case, then the movie is placed in 2017...?
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